Sunday, March 20, 2016

Ryobi's Spinning Reels 1977-1988

With only a couple of exceptions my Ryobi reel collection is focused on their spinning reels. Time may see me branch it out further into the baitcast, spincast and fly reels but I really love the spinning reels the most.

I was recently able to acquire a set of catalogs for Ryobi fishing reels covering the years from 1977-1988. This covers my area of interest because from what research I've done so far it appears that Ryobi entered the US market fully in 1977. Ryobi did manufacture reels for other companies before 1977, most successful of which were their models made for Zebco which I will cover more in depth at a later date. The 12 year period of Ryobi's US marketing saw, by my count, 148 spinning reels in roughly 30 different series. Sometime in 1988 Ryobi either outright sold or somehow licensed their fishing tackle business to Fintek which was a subsidiary of the fishing industry giant Berkley. Although I do not have, nor have I ever seen a Fintek/Ryobi catalog, from what I've seen of the Fintek era reels makes it appear that the focus was more on value than quality.

I am not sure when the Fintek Ryobi relationship ended and the history between that point to now is shrouded in darkness. As least as relates to the US market.

Below is a statement I found on Ryobi International website:

"Since its establishment as a die casting manufacturer in HIROSHIMA in December 1943, Ryobi Limited has accumulated innovative technologies by making components for automobiles, electronics, telecommunications and other industries. In 1944, Ryobi has leveraged these technologies and drawn on its experience to diversify into the manufacture of printing equipment, fishing tackle, golf supplies, power tools and builders' hardware. Therefore RYOBI, DAIWA and SHIMANO are the top three fishing tackle brands in Japan.
 
In 2000, JOHSHUYA company, the largest Japanese chain group of fishing tackle, gained the ownership of RYOBI fishing tackle sector.
 
In November 2008, JOHSHUYA company and WEIHAI RYOBI INTERNATIONAL TRADING CO., LTD reached agreement that WEIHAI RYOBI INT’L was authorized to manufacture, sell and operate RYOBI fishing tackle products worldwide (excluding Japan Market).
 
Wherever in the world our dedicated R&D department and local engineering teams work to create innovative fishing products that keep you one step ahead.
 

Ryobi is all around you, making an enjoyable, comfortable daily lifestyle possible."

Here is a link to the page. Which was last copyrighted in 2009.


I am currently in the process of digitizing the catalogs and other information I have. As my research continues I will share relevant portions of that info here.

Until next time. Tight lines!

Saturday, February 27, 2016

Ryobi MGT1 Touch'n Trip. The perfect trigger spinning reel?

One of my favorite types of spinning reels has been the 'trigger' or 'one touch' models. Be it the spectacular design failure of the Zebco/Quantum Snapshot series of reels, or the somewhat more reliable Shimano Quick Fire reels. If you are a spinning reel fan you either love or hate the trigger reels.

The appeal is simple. Instead of needing two hands to prepare for a cast (using the off hand to open the bail) the trigger reels as I call them allow the fisherman to grasp the line and open the bail all in one motion using just one finger. This is great for us lazy fishers who use the automatic bail closing feature built into the reel. Manually closing the bail would require a two handed casting routine but is said to help eliminate birds nests and help reduce line twist.

The Zebco/Quantum Snapshots were my first introduction to trigger reels. My dad fell in love with these reels and over time purchased almost every model and size they made from the base models to the somewhat more well thought out Quantum Hypercast. Note - I will not cover the Hypercast reels in this post as their mechanism is significantly different although still flawed. The failure of the Snapshots in my opinion boiled down to the choice of material used for the trigger and bail arm. They used plastic. Okay, maybe it wasn't exactly plastic but it was definitely a low grade synthetic material which over time, in reality a very short period of time, would flex and cause misalignment and binding of the mechanism. Perhaps it was also a bit of over engineering that contributed to the design failure as the Snapshots had one feature none of the other trigger systems had which was an attempt to have a no line touch feature. Instead of grabbing the line and pulling the trigger there was a little pin to grab the line. You had to hold the trigger until the apex of the cast then release it thereby releasing the line. This design resulted in the need for a three piece arrangement of trigger, firing pin, and bail arm and relied on these pieces to perfectly align in order to work successfully.

A couple of years after my father passed away I finally started going through his fishing gear and I found a plastic shopping bag with 8 assorted Zebco/Quantum Snapshot reels. None of them worked correctly. I wish I had snapped a picture before I threw them in the trash. I later found an Quantum SR4 Snapshot reel that did work among the rest of the fishing gear. I stripped the line, gave it a good cleaning and lube and it hangs in my collection. To my knowledge Zebco/Quantum has abandoned the Snapshot system and the Hypercast trigger reels completely

In the photo you can see the trigger which when pulled pushes on the firing pin arm which rotates into the bail arm.

The Shimano Quick fire system uses only two main components. The trigger itself which cams the bail arm open. You have to grab the line with your finger before pulling the trigger as Shimanos system does not have the no touch firing pin. Their system works somewhat more reliably but as seemingly the entire fishing world is always focused on lighter weight in all their components the trigger and bail arm are both plastic/nylon/graphite/whatever. The last brand mew fishing reel I purchased was a Shimano Syncopate 2500FE with the Quick Fire trigger. It has served me well and I have talked to other fishermen who have had one version or another of the Shimano Quick Fire reels that continue to work reasonably well, some of them for 20 years or more. Although I have to admit that my Syncopate's trigger is hard to pull and lubricating it with oils ar grease doesn't really help. Whatever the parts are made of they are definitely not self lubricating.

The Shimano Quick Fire trigger. The contacting surfaces can be easily seen.

I should note here that both Zebco/Quantum and Shimanos systems require the trigger to be pulled up towards the rod.

Okay, finally on to the Ryobi MGT Touch'n Trip.

My limited Ryobi catalog collection only allows me to date the first Ryobi Touch'n Trip reel to sometime between 1981 and 1985. They are not listed in the 1980 catalog. In the 1985 catalog the hierarchy of spinning reels is from top to bottom
Royalcarbo
MGT - with Touch'n Trip
MG
DPT - with Touch'n Trip
DP
SL
Sidewinder
TNT - with Touch'n Trip
MD
RSX
SX

The Touch'n Trip system is different from the other manufacturers designs in that it uses actual gears to open the bail.



 The trigger and the bail arm do not cam off of each other and therefore never touch. The trigger and gears are all made of high quality graphite and the bail arm is metal. The use of metal and high quality graphite and gears make for a more reliable and longer lasting product. By adding a fourth component to the design (remember Shimano's is 2 piece and Zebco/Quantum uses 3 pieces) two of which are gears eliminates the fatigue the other systems are victim to with their poor choice of material and bearing surface wear.

If Ryobi engineered the perfect trigger spinning reel system why didn't it catch on?

Great question, and I will give you my opinion as to why. As I said earlier the Shimano and Zebco/Quantum systems both require pulling the trigger towards the rod in a somewhat natural'closing the fist' type of motion. The Ryobi Touch'n Trip however requires more of a sideways swipe to the right. If you pull up on the trigger your only reward is confusion and frustration as nothing happens. The sideways swiping motion is less natural than a pull straight up but can be learned but I have to admit that if you are right handed like me the motion is a little awkward.

It is difficult to show the swiping motion in a still picture but you can see above the system in the fully open position. The trigger itself when released does snap sharply back via the small coil spring visible in the picture of the gears earlier.

My father was left handed so I became pretty good at switch fishing as I would use his spinning reels without switching the handles around so I tried this reel left handed. For a lefty the Touch'n Trip sideways swipe is definitely more comfortable.

It is apparent that Ryobi's engineers realized this issue and tried to compensate by having the rotor 'center' just to the left instead of directly under the rod. This makes using the reel right handed more workable and makes it very comfortable for the lefty's.

The Touch'n Trip system in the 'centered position.

So why didn't Ryobi's Touch'n Trip reels take over the market with their better design? Well I think what it comes down to is close to what I've heard many fishermen say aboiut any of the trigger reels, 'it's a solution in search of a problem'. None of the manufacturers, and I do include Daiwa in the mix here although I haven't written about their Auto Cast system which is similar to both Shimano and Zebco/Quantums setup, really were able to get the mechanism down to a 'simple' solution. either they tried to do to much like Zebco's no touch firing pin. Or to basic like Shimano's Quick Fire with bearing surfaces that just don't work smoothly. Had either Zebco or Shimano used metal triggers, firing pin arms and bail arms I think we would be having a totally different discussion.

Ryobi's Touch'n Trip with its gears and higher quality components was a step in the right direction with actual gears and a metal bail arm but the swiping motion needed to operate it just was something that had to be learned, it wasn't a natural enough jesture.

Ryobi I think realized that any attempt to 'improve' Touch'n Trip would result in an overly complicated mechanism leaving it open to the same type of failures as their competitors.


Thursday, February 25, 2016

Hello world,

In times to come I look forward to sharing Ryobi fishing tackle history and information. My collection is small but growing. Although the reels themselves are the primary focus I hope to add catalog information, reel insert sheets and other information.

Ryobi was not the biggest player in the fishing tackle market either in the U.S. or Japan although it is one of the top 3 of Japans plethora of fishing tackle manufacturers. My personal ranking of Ryobi would be that they were in third place in the U.S. market, but they did produce a quality product with some thoughtful innovations along the way.

Well thats enough for now, I just wanted something to be here when you happened across my blog. Hope to see you again soon. And if you have anything Ryobi to share such as documentation or pics or even just a personal Ryobi fishing story please drop me a line.

Tracy